Dear Tribe.
I am a strong believer in Tribe.
I have supported and promoted you for many years.
But you are fucking up.
Too much down time.
People are migrating away.
The other sites suck, but at least they are up.
If you do not fix this soon, Tribe will die.
Is that clear?
I love Tribe and what it has done for me,
but if too many people leave, it will fold.
How simple can I state this?
FIX IT ... OR GET NEW JOBS.
Paynie.
I am a strong believer in Tribe.
I have supported and promoted you for many years.
But you are fucking up.
Too much down time.
People are migrating away.
The other sites suck, but at least they are up.
If you do not fix this soon, Tribe will die.
Is that clear?
I love Tribe and what it has done for me,
but if too many people leave, it will fold.
How simple can I state this?
FIX IT ... OR GET NEW JOBS.
Paynie.
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Re: Open Letter to Tribe.
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:42 PMthere are only a few employees to deal with ALL of our demands, and they do admirably with what they have. -
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 11:00 PMThat may be true, but unless things get more stable Tribe will have zero employees. -
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Re: Open Letter to Tribe.
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 12:39 AMand no employee's would solve your problem, or make you feel better, how?
considering that you dont have to pay 5$, this is a darn good deal, anyway you cut it.
the gain i get from this site far outweighs the inconvenience of maintenance down time.
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 7:45 AMBut I do pay, hence that little star.
And it would SUCK if Tribe went away.
But over the past 3 months, I've had over 100 invitations on Facebook, which sucks, but it's always up and people like that. Tribe has to do better or it will vanish. -
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 3:37 PM>> "But over the past 3 months, I've had over 100 invitations on Facebook, which sucks"
Do you mean facebook sucks, or getting 100 invitations to go there sucks?
I don't think either statement is true.
I have a facebook account, I interact there quite a bit. It's good for me as my kids and other family are there, also other friends too (those I've known, or those who came from tribe) but interaction is much more focused more around one-to-one, and it sucks you see nothing of people who are not friends, but friends you see everything, and are informed of all postings, comments, uploads, they do.
I do prefer that tribe doesn't flood me with every nit-pick my friends do, and I can see an outline of those I don't know.
Tribe is also far better at discussion groups, especially tracking where you were, which I why I am still here.
Anyway... when tribe is down, I do more on facebook. I'm sure my tribe friends who are also on facebook use both like I do.
Neither are an exclusive club, feel free to join facebook too.
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 8:14 AMPaynie has every right to complain on his own thread. There are plenty of folks (sheep) who will speak up for tribe, but then you have not a thing to do with the functionality of tribe, do you?
I swear some people open their mouths to seem important.
Every user of tribe helps tribe stay alive paying or not. Your voice is not louder because you pay for membership. -
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 8:21 AMTribe friggin' rocks.
I've invited 100+ people on to Tribe.
I've had meetings with Mark P and Tribe peeps at my loft.
But people on the internet are fickle and they will go elsewhere if Tribe doesn't get better.
I'm not more important than anyone else here and I'm no louder either.
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:59 AMPaynie has a right to voice his opinion. I agree with his thinking if not how he said it. Tribe does rock & yes its only Darren that is trying to keep it going but after all the months of subscription it would really be nice to see some slight improvements, not saying that Darren hasnt been doing anything, but some speed and stability improvements are what are needed. Not tribechat, not OLX. If tribe stays online i.e. no donut pages and can move faster than a page loading on a 56.6 k modem then it will keep the members here and more will flood to it otherwise it is going to keep losing people.
I belong to facebook, havent been there in months hate it, same with livejournal - never use it. I want tribe to succeed & when there are problems someone or ones have to speak up. -
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 4:10 PMi agree with paynie and simon... i'm here less and less because i can't handle the instability and deadly s l o o o o w interface cuz of the stinking google ads. please don't tell me about insulating myself from the ads by purchasing a "premium" membership. i will never pay for a membership until the long-standing issues about my profile (as in, not being able to log in!!! bugs.tribe.net/thread/fb2...55cc329e9a9 ) are *finally* addressed. and from what i've read of other's complaints, my issues are not unique.
i don't envy darren. he's doing the work of too many. yet focusing on new features and fancy bells and whistles will not save tribe. i love tribe for what it is *supposed* to be already. my patience has long run thin on not being able to use it and access my personal content and friends list and messages any more. -
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 4:46 PMI have a premium account and it's no faster. -
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 5:03 PM<<I have a premium account and it's no faster. >>
Exactly, the account just eliminates the ads which is nice, very nice but that is all. Supposedly there was to be a premium acct server to provide faster service but nothing has happened yet. -
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 10:33 PMi have been on for 4 or so years now and i thank everyone for their hard work here. also i must say that in the past few months the site has been so slow that its not really worth my time to be on and it seems like less and less people are posting.
its sad, but its beyond my threshold for slowness and its been this way for a long time. to get on and check my inbox takes over 5 minutes because i have to click it 3 or 4 times to finally get in....
the upside is because of the slowness here i have started using a telephone again.
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Re: Open Letter to Tribe.
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 11:42 PMi live in the center of high speed internet, so the slowness has not caught up with me.
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 11:55 PMI'm not noticing any slowness from the computer I use at home. It's a Mac a very old Mac. And I use not the latest version of Firefox either. Tribe runs fine. It's very occasionally slow, but only rarely.
At work, on the other hand, the computer is a PC, a new one, too, I do notice slowness. I think it might be the computer some of you are using, or perhaps the security software PC's usually have installed. It's just a guess. But if you have a chance to try a Mac and high speed internet you might find the slowness problem is not actually with Tribe, itself. Maybe there is more going on in Tribe that triggers the installed security programs, hence delays, than the other sites you look at when you are not on Tribe. -
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 11:56 PMMy guess is that you're at work during peak daytime hours, when Tribe is slowest. -
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 12:02 AMi still concure with chris, and i am on this puppy, every time of the day or night. -
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 10:17 AMI use a MAC at home on a cable modem and a PC from work on a T4, either system, anytime its SLOOOOOOWWWWWW, painfully slow. -
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 10:24 AMi guess my techie friend keeps mine in the fast flow.
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 6:41 PMI'm with Payne and Simon, too. Tribe used to be the place I could get away to, but with the frequent downtime, I've stopped checking in religiously. I've stopped posting to my blog regularly. I only read a few Tribes and haven't added new ones in a while. And I care absolutely zero about those extra features.
I want Tribe to work. I want it to get new features which will actually attract new members (like API modules for the home page, a la Facebook). I want the features it already has to work properly (avatar cropping, anyone?).
Sorry Darren - I know it must be a change of pace for you to work on new features, rather than bug fixing, but the bug fixing is mission critical while the other stuff (which no one ever asked for) isn't. -
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 7:17 PMI hate to gratuitously post but I mean, really, c'mon. The ONE THING THAT EVERYONE WANTS IS FOR WHAT IS ALREADY EXISTING IN TRIBE TO WORK PROPERLY. Whether they want new stuff or not. If one more new thing is introduced while avatar cropping and so much else is still nonfunctional, I'm going to have to scream. I still have an invitation to a tribe that I moderate that I can't get rid of. I still can't have my friends blogs on my home page anymore. I still am wondering when something is going to be FIXED! I never used "chat" anywhere before and I'm not going to start anytime soon. I never post anything for sale so screw OLX. I paid for a premium year because I believed that things would then get fixed. So, FIX SOMETHING, for crying out loud! Please. Pretty, please. With cream and sugar on top. Dang it.
<breaks down at this point, rends hair and goes for sackcloth and ashes. much gnashing of teeth, gnash, gnash, gnash>
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 12:00 AMI joined shortly before premium arrived, so I don't have a sense of how it was before the extra money was available to purchase top of the line, double redundant, super performance, hardened, mil spec, EMP shielded servers and discs, and the army of support staff to keep it all running 25x8. How were things before the money? -
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 12:33 AMshit folks, deal with it, or go bitch somewhere else. what is being done, is what is being done. if you don't like it - well then get lost and go to the site you think is better. moaning like kindergartener's just ain't gonna get the job done, no matter how much you whine. If this place really is that inferior, than you are a stupid chump to keep bitching, and not moving on. mama doesn't have to wipe every pissed off, snotty child. deal with it, your individual complaints are going to come after other concerns are fixed. deal with it, or at least just admit you just want to bitch, with no real need for outcome, so long as your cruddy ass opinions prevail. Get a tech job, and do it better, stop with the disingenuous bitching, none of you are in kindergarten still. or, i assume you are not.
this is part of what is refered to as 'adult land'. deal.
posts like this is one of the reasons darren will not resond to you - its infantile and not deserving of attention. Find a different way to waste his time - he ain't intrested in preschool moaning. nor is it helpful in any way - get the picture yet? or do ya all need to whine and bitch like 6 year olds some more?
and if it REALLY is that big a deal' - well shit, don't let the door hit ya in the ass on yer way out! -
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 3:12 AM"Don't let the door hit you on the way out".
Look dumbass, I like Tribe more than you do and I've probably done more to promote it .... and I want it to be around in 5 years. So telling it like it is is the only way that's going to happen.
I'm not bitching. I'm saying that I used to have 25 friends on Facebook, now I have 200+ and if Tribe was online 24/7 I'd have 26 friends. People are leaving Tribe. Get it?
"Deal with it" HOW?
I send money and I continue to promote, but it's getting silly. I am dealing with it. Tribe isn't ..... and neither are you. -
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 3:13 AMAnd Trav ..... posting pix of yer butt ain't helping either.
Just sayin'.
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 10:08 AMdon't look at my ass then dude.
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 7:22 AMHuh. since when did facing up to reality become "moaning like kindergartener's [sic]"?
In case you haven't noticed, the people responding to this thread are the ones who have supported the site for years, who begged for the premium subscriptions, who are really invested. This is not a matter of stamping feet, but a matter of looking at the big picture - as they have done all along - and pointing out their concerns. That's not infantile. That's a measured response to some of the ongoing issues Tribe has.
If you can get all butthurt because someone *gasp!* has a concern, then might I suggest that the internet is not for you? -
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Sun, April 27, 2008 - 3:16 AMisara- might i suggest you take your xanax, and reevaluate your own self? i have been here plenty long enouph, and i recognize that there is only so much that 2-3 employees can fix. The net is not here to just please your tiny self. -
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 3:04 PMyou really appear as a nasty person Travis..and you moderate two herbal medicine tribes where you supposedly are there to support people and here you are telling this poster above to take her meds...and you banned me for speaking my truth about wanting a new moderator in the herbal medicine tribe cos you cannot handle the jandle...
Dont think you will get away with banning me and that I wont get the msg out there what I and others know you are doing.. -
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 3:16 PMyou seem to hold the grudge dear one. you posted an attack, so, you were edited, like it is stated in the introduction. but you are certainly showing what your colors are....... you stoop lower that i have, to be righteous. so by all means, threaten away, it shows that you also have a vindictive nature.
if you want to fight with me, you can always tell me what a peice of work i am in a personal message.
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 3:30 PMand while we are at it, i will have you know, that there is a steady 6-10 persons joining the tribe, per day, since i have made the changes i have.
and the spirit of the tribe has not disappeared - just the 60%of the fighting and non related talking and arguing, so what you see now, is posts related to the subject, instead of 50 comments in a post continuing an argument. Its easier to find 10 comments that relate to the subject, then to weed thru up to 100 others, that may have no bearing on the question asked. you don't have to like my way of doing things, but in a tribe of nearly 6 thousand, it is reasonable to assume that someone is going to have a problem with a decision or two of mine. So, in all of this time, of going thru the period of learning not how to fight, we have only had to lose 5 people. rather good percentages, if i do say so myself. The letters coming to me thanking me for what i have done there, far out weigh the approximately 8, i have received to the contrary.
and yes, i was a little ruder here, and i probably should not have been, but the general demeanor of the thread was determined by the positive post to begin with.
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 3:31 PMBitching about bitching is the worst kind of bitching there is.
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 10:47 PM*rolls eyes* evaluate what exactly? My ability to recognize the merits of a discussion while discarding the chaff? AND do it without getting my ego involved or taking things personally?
As an aside, Xanax is an antidepressant, and I'm pretty sure I'm not depressed, nor sound depressed. Might I again make a recommendation and suggest that you go back and work on your insults? A good insult should enforce your position, not weaken it.
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 8:45 PMtravis said: "posts like this is one of the reasons darren will not resond to you - its infantile and not deserving of attention. Find a different way to waste his time - he ain't intrested in preschool moaning. nor is it helpful in any way - get the picture yet?"
my question to travis is, if posts like this don't work, the *what does*?????
i feel like i've tried everything, to no avail.
how would *you* like it if you were unable to log into your account, travis?
how would *you* like it if you couldn't access your blog, friends, photos, profile, emails....?
how would *you* like it if every attempt to get resolution of this problem was ineffective?
so until you walk a mile in *my* shoes, stop the righteous indignation. please.
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 9:03 PMIf that happened to me I would contact Tribe through the proper channels, not post in the bugs tribe. -
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 9:35 PMThis is the "Tribe Bugs" Tribe. What are we supposed to chat about ....... Insects? -
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Sat, April 26, 2008 - 10:35 PMAbout Tribe bugs.
If you need help with a specific account-related question, you'll be far more likely to get results by contacting Tribe directly. I recommend help@. -
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Sun, April 27, 2008 - 2:25 AMThat's nice, but I don't have any "account related" questions. I just want Tribe to be Tribe.
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 11:38 AMpatti, as i mentioned in my earlier post, i *have* tried everything... help@ was the *first* thing i tried and got no response at all. i have tried other avenues as well, including posting here (see link above) and the FAQ tribe. i've even posted directly to tribe employees. what else would you have me do????? i'd really like to know. -
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 1:22 PMNot that it fixes anything, but I like stomping my feet and throwing my mouse across the room. -
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 1:39 PMcircuit board smoke signals.
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Sun, April 27, 2008 - 3:12 AMyeah, paynie, and my ass, when you don't get yer way. you do know you will get NO response to this BS? maybe you like to hear yourself chatter. but you did take time to check out my ass. goody goody for you. phtt.
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