Tribe.net. Local Connections Timbozo http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#f60d47af-9de3-4cf6-b27f-38b5fe6b0281 2009-06-19T05:40:20Z 2009-06-19T05:40:20Z

I'd say that that is not a good idea at all. You need to have an explicit record, otherwise, the problem of trolling begins to increase exponentially with the number of posts in a thread. Even a simple edit of one letter or comma can become problematic at that point. Of course, you could have a history of a post so that folks could see what was edited with accompanying timestamps...a versioning system for every post. I mean, it would be possible and it would be cool but, um, it's probably beyond the realm of what should and can be done with staff spare time.

Timbozo 2009-06-19T05:40:20Z Lokifreign http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#3a871e11-8047-48b5-9d56-99f9fc4874dc 2009-06-16T23:59:27Z 2009-06-16T23:59:27Z

http://www.phpbb.com/

Lokifreign 2009-06-16T23:59:27Z Tribe.net Help http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#97c69195-c1ee-4603-a615-008a22cfd2b3 2009-06-14T01:42:40Z 2009-06-14T01:42:40Z

Agreed on the messages as well, there will be a lot changes in that section. As for any confusion over how easy it would be to fix or would have been to design such things, remember that we (NSA) did not design the software originally. Also, take into account that we currently do not own the software (it is licensed from Cisco) and we are limited in what we can change and support. And finally, we are focusing the very limited resources we have on development of a new platform and only fixing the most critical bugs on the current one to get to the point where we can move off the original platform as soon as possible.

Tribe.net Help 2009-06-14T01:42:40Z DravenGal http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#9a054841-b879-489e-8b7e-a1f87ec83b1a 2009-06-14T00:47:41Z 2009-06-14T00:47:41Z

It would also be nice if you could delete your own thread posts. Sometimes my opinion changes, or I realize I phrased something really badly and I want to undo the whole thing rather then "print a retraction" post. I'm still hoping they'll create a "next" and "previous" button for when we're reading our messages. It's a total pain to read a message and have to go back to the inbox, then read the next one, then go back to the inbox, then read the next one one, etc. It seems like such a basic thing, I'm a little confused why they don't have it. Is it really that hard to set something like that up?

DravenGal 2009-06-14T00:47:41Z LOLcat http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#2f57d342-ed63-4cca-8177-49ace2134ad8 2009-06-12T11:55:40Z 2009-06-12T11:55:40Z

Purrrrfect.

LOLcat 2009-06-12T11:55:40Z amiablehermit http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#a4573b9a-c1e0-4a44-b857-89042fb1bba0 2009-06-12T04:43:58Z 2009-06-12T04:43:58Z

Cool.

amiablehermit 2009-06-12T04:43:58Z carolyn http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#721cef7e-3206-491d-9a4e-45056ae2b4b9 2009-06-11T20:02:05Z 2009-06-11T20:02:05Z

We basically have that, it just needs to be more obviously available to people. We would never let users edit other user's posts, but having better editing features to start with, and then a way to do limited editing on past posts would be good.

carolyn 2009-06-11T20:02:05Z Christie http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#f8ffbd22-a777-4652-9624-a01223eccbe6 2009-06-11T19:06:29Z 2009-06-11T19:06:29Z

I agree, Bloke.

Christie 2009-06-11T19:06:29Z Christie http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#c4a8f96a-f41b-40c2-93a9-46b1fe1268b3 2009-06-11T19:05:17Z 2009-06-11T19:05:17Z

Nice tip, djarum!

Christie 2009-06-11T19:05:17Z amiablehermit http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#0ee4730a-2f66-441b-8337-96669ddf84da 2009-06-11T06:04:41Z 2009-06-11T06:04:41Z

As I said earlier, something like the time-limited feature on ning is a good compromise for those for and against.

amiablehermit 2009-06-11T06:04:41Z Bloke. Trivia Pimp http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#2b6e7add-d898-4a3e-8c7a-5e7edd96749a 2009-06-11T05:17:02Z 2009-06-11T05:17:02Z

I am not keen on edits. I once commented on a blog.. and the person changed the text and while my comment (IMHO) looked reasonable at first, with the altered OP it made be look like an utter prick. I could easily see the same happening if posts could be altered. People who like to troll would love it. At the end of the day, tribe is not a spelling bee or grammer test.. and if there is something which *really* has to go - then the delete powers of the mod (and tribe for that matter) are enough. Without mentioning the preview button... The 'back" button giving you some time to change a post is good enough for me. And no.. I *DO* make spelling and grammer mistooks all the time.. but, a the little care of reading a post before I expect others to do so by submitting is good enough. I would not like to see posts being able to be edited at whim.

Bloke. Trivia Pimp 2009-06-11T05:17:02Z $item.owner.firstName http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#48dfa454-4d86-4151-b4c8-829bbbb9f20c 2009-06-10T22:45:53Z 2009-06-10T22:45:53Z

Do you use Firefox? Upper left corner, where the back arrow is? There is a forward arrow. And a small down arrow. Click on that small down arrow, and it shows a short list of recent history. You can click on any of the Create A New Reply to go right back to the page you were on, with the text you were posting. If no one has responded you can fix the spelling or add links. You can use the BIG History list and go right back to any of the Create A New Reply areas. I have my History set to hold 14 days of browsing. Again, as long as no one responded to your message, you can edit merrily all day.

$item.owner.firstName 2009-06-10T22:45:53Z LOLcat http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#d01347ab-d1fe-4735-98a4-89f587323056 2009-06-10T17:02:10Z 2009-06-10T17:02:10Z

I would also like to be able to edit out the hairballs.

LOLcat 2009-06-10T17:02:10Z Christie http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#6fe3fe4f-c539-4718-bf54-6c7885bea4e7 2009-06-10T06:47:26Z 2009-06-10T06:46:37Z

I am usually able to backspace to edit posts well after 30 seconds. Sometimes it's been 5 minutes or longer and I might be looking at my recent activity module on my profile page and realize I spelled something wrong or maybe there's a clearer way of expressing what I meant to say and so I go back by back-paging and edit what I wrote. In very active tribes it's not as likely to work, because as soon as someone replies to your post then you can't edit it anymore. So long as no one has replied yet, and I have not been to a different thread in that same tribe after writing the post I want to edit, I can back page quite a ways back and still edit. It's when you visit more than one thread in the same tribe that the ability to back-page to your entry and re-submit it with the correct spelling (or whatever) doesn't work anymore.

Christie 2009-06-10T06:46:37Z carolyn http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#e25342f8-6af9-4aa4-a2dd-ff920a1db334 2009-06-09T20:45:57Z 2009-06-09T20:45:39Z

Yes, that trick works well. There are cases where a post should be edited to remove personally identifying information or other violations, but our only recourse currently is to delete the entire post.

carolyn 2009-06-09T20:45:39Z : Denisey, Phantom of Delight http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#a326b0ea-34b5-4aca-8718-52b07ab2848b 2009-06-09T20:44:35Z 2009-06-09T20:44:35Z

>...backspace key within something like 30 seconds... I've had great luck with this feature. One does need to be quick, though! There's also a button to the left of the 'submit' button. It is gray with the word 'preview'. Very useful for longer posts.

: Denisey, Phantom of Delight 2009-06-09T20:44:35Z Briar http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#b1181409-69a0-4ef1-b5e8-17607fcd5eba 2009-06-09T19:19:45Z 2009-06-09T19:19:45Z

If you hit your backspace key within something like 30 seconds after you post, you can call your post back and fix up your typo, then repost. Try it. Have to re-read fast, though, so it won't work on a longish post.

Briar 2009-06-09T19:19:45Z amiablehermit http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#090d2cb6-ccfc-4ed2-b013-80e560e7fc7c 2009-06-09T15:50:47Z 2009-06-09T15:50:47Z

The whole copy paste thing is a total chore. I have done that for some of my more significant posts, but I don't see doing that for everything. I agree that some sort of edit function makes sense. I don't think that I at all like the idea of editing way after the fact of posting. You can always say later that you changed your mind.

amiablehermit 2009-06-09T15:50:47Z Mer http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#c8e33125-b581-4f26-ae82-5e077a9502a1 2009-06-09T15:09:48Z 2009-06-09T15:09:48Z

If you want to document posted statements for argument purposes - or whatever purposes - perhaps one could copy and paste posts into a Word document, print them out, etc. for the record. However, I think the quality and content of what is communicated, and the interpersonal connections between Tribe members, would be enhanced (if not improved) if writers could refine, expanded upon, edit or delete their statements.

Mer 2009-06-09T15:09:48Z amiablehermit http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#ca87841d-a0f8-48ac-815e-12fb150966b3 2009-06-09T13:22:27Z 2009-06-09T13:22:27Z

On ning, you have a limited time period to edit ~ I believe about 15 minutes. That allows you time to pick up typos and have second thoughts, but not enough time to change the world. Something like that I can see.

amiablehermit 2009-06-09T13:22:27Z $item.owner.firstName http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#1a33aeae-9568-4982-bc03-48153f94a30a 2009-06-09T08:57:39Z 2009-06-09T08:57:39Z

" Generally the folks who don't want a record are the same ones who regularly embarrass themselves away from the Internet too. " Got study? A group of idiots that hang out online and offline are still idiots, either place. But if you took a random sample of "people on the Internet" and then followed them, well, you'd be a stalker. I'm not quite sure how you'd get a random sample of people from online and then observe online and offline to see how they behave. Employers could do that. They can watch what their employees do. They could watch as mild-mannered Dick Clark Kent in accounting turns into a total perv online. I do embarrass myself a lot. I fall over things that are and aren't there, as well as walk into poles and walls. I do that online and offline.

$item.owner.firstName 2009-06-09T08:57:39Z Timbozo http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#de056b74-4ea8-4a1d-a14b-6efffaba6786 2009-06-09T07:11:27Z 2009-06-09T07:11:27Z

There are those who want a record and those who don't. Generally the folks who don't want a record are the same ones who regularly embarrass themselves away from the Internet too. Seriously. Think about it. Or don't.

Timbozo 2009-06-09T07:11:27Z Ray http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#9729ec06-28ad-4051-8ba7-6cced16bb5a2 2009-06-09T04:33:14Z 2009-06-09T04:33:14Z

I was thinking about that same thing just a few days ago. It's kismet. NOT! ;)

Ray 2009-06-09T04:33:14Z $item.owner.firstName http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#ce16e5c0-8d6c-4114-b46c-5cf216c188b8 2009-06-08T23:19:32Z 2009-06-08T23:19:32Z

I agree and disagree, Timbo. Long before the internet came along for me, there were spats throughout my life. With siblings, with parents, with schoolmates, boyfriends, husband. Those spats or arguments were able to fade away in time. Words said in the heat of the moment often should fade away. And not be written in stone for all to see FOREVER. The words CAN serve as historical documentation, as you say. It can show what people do over time, it can be a warning or a blessing to have such words in total available. So much depends on context, however. The time frame, whatever else was going on in those people's lives. Which a casual observer may not know about and never see. Realize that we do not in general carry around a tape recorder with us and document every single exchange we have during the day. At least I don't carry around a tape recorder or a video camera. So I don't have a transcript of an interaction with a huffy sales clerk from 3 years ago. But there IS a transcript of an interaction with a huffy online person here on tribe. Lots of them. For everyone. All over the place. Do we really need that? For ideas and meaty discussions on fascinating topics, do-it-yourself projects that still have relevance today, people's reactions to tragedy or political upheaval, that's all cool. But the spats? I don't know if they have real value. Whenever I run across old spats, I get the old feelings. I can see what was said and it might still be hurtful. And my old words may still be equally hurtful. Do they really need to be etched in stone? Forever?

$item.owner.firstName 2009-06-08T23:19:32Z Timbozo http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#aae84648-9d80-4fbc-aba6-fbbaf4f36b0c 2009-06-08T22:29:23Z 2009-06-08T22:29:23Z

I disagree. I think there should be some personal social responsibility for what folks type and the content they post. It's frustrating that folks can't correct what they're saying...but even more dangerous to the actual gist and value of a conversation from an intellectual or historical point of view of folks can just go back and willy-nilly modify something they said earlier, possibly destroying context, altering meaning 180 degrees, etc. Take responsibility for spelling and grammar in advance. I try to but often fail...but I'd much rather have that then having sociopaths modifying a conversations original content and meaning, no matter how many typos they claim they just must correct. Right now, the fact that a thread originator can delete a thread they don't like or find has turned distasteful and that a tribe moderator can delete individual posts is a great trade off--it spreads responsibility to more than one individual for the direction editing can take...without modifying the actual text beyond the power of wholesale deletion. If each of us were able to modify what we'd said in the past here, how long do you think it would be before the trollers and the other miscreants out there, the nuts and the manipulators, had a field day with tribe. There is already enough problems with stupid people messing with others realities here. Let's not make it worse.

Timbozo 2009-06-08T22:29:23Z SN http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#e6f1b9eb-bd30-49fa-b257-e240df07b328 2009-06-08T17:51:30Z 2009-06-08T17:51:30Z

here here!!

SN 2009-06-08T17:51:30Z carolyn http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#32585203-986d-4e4f-a6e0-9fc6a9644086 2009-06-08T15:34:25Z 2009-06-08T15:34:25Z

Yes, we agree.

carolyn 2009-06-08T15:34:25Z Mer http://bugs.tribe.net/thread/24211177-86ca-4505-9309-707898c410d1#df80a3f8-830d-4e65-ac13-431fa49eb85d 2009-06-08T14:45:56Z 2009-06-08T14:45:56Z

I think many of the "discussions" on Tribe could be mitigated -and grammatical errors/typos (that make one feel stoopid) corrected! - if folks could edit or delete what they've written - like on f-book. Sometimes, after you've vented and seen your words up on the screen, ya just wanna take 'em back. Know what I mean?

Mer 2009-06-08T14:45:56Z